I personally can attest to having heard Each of them

say very nasty things about the other

Off the record in private over the years.

I think the antipathy partly grew out of two things.

On jobs' side, he believed that microsoft

Had stolen the basic ideas in the mac.

From the point of view of gates, I think,

He found jobs difficult to deal with.

Steve is so know for his restraint.

I think gates felt that jobs got more credit

Than he might have deserved as being the great technologist.

Neither person is hugely likable.

Certainly steve jobs is an acquired taste,

And so is bill gates for that matter.

Um, they both have their moments.

Bill gates is a better friend than steve jobs,

But steve jobs is more fun than bill gates.

Narrator: jobs had glamour and dynamism.

By the mid 1980s, he was one of the richest Self-made men in america.

He was just 29.

Jobs: people are going to bring them home over the weekend

To work on something sunday morning.

They're not going to be able to get their kids away from them,

And maybe someday they'll even buy a second one To leave at home.

which made him a natural subject for "playboy."

Interviewing jobs was a unique experience For writer david sheff.

The phone rung one day,

And it was not a pr person who called,

But it was jobs himself,

and it really was An indication of the way that he did business

And really continued to do business.

Apple was very different.

The second you walked in the door,

You felt like you were in a completely new environment.

The conference rooms instead of, you know, Of number 103c

were called da vinci and michelangelo And picasso,

and indeed it was picasso That I was escorted to to see jobs for the first time.